Q. Could you give us a general overview
of the economic situation in Sierra Leone?
A. The performance of the economy
has been mixed. While we have been achieving
some significant improvement in some areas,
we have not been doing so well in other
areas. For example, the overall growth of
the economy, what we call the gross domestic
product, has been purely competitive. It
has been going at over 6 percent. We have
managed to keep inflation under control,
because we are part of what is called the
West African Monitoring Zone, also the IMF
has its programme here called the PRGS so
we have got certain conditionalities. Our
inflation in spite of everything that is
happening out there is around 7.5 percent,
and that compares favourably with inflation
elsewhere. In Nigeria it's 8.4%, in Ghana
30%, in the Gambia 18.4% and in Guinea 16.4%;
so we are doing better than our friends
in the sub region, but having said that,
our concern is: how do we translate the
gains of growth to addressing poverty? How
do you distribute the benefits of growth
equitably across the population? That is
what we are doing and some of the programmes,
maybe, the Minister of Development would
have told you that we have put in place
directly with things like the Poverty Alleviation
Programme, getting the poorer segment of
the population to actually get the benefits
of the programme. Here in the bank, we are
concerned basically with the formulation
of monetary policy as well as supervision
and regulation of the financial system.
So my task here is to ensure that we get
stable exchange rates, low inflation that
is consistent with stable high economic
growth, and ensure there is employment.
These are the objectives of monetary policy.
Q. What are the main incentives taken
by the Central Bank in order to support
the growth of the economy?
A. We deal with monetary policy,
so the main plans of monetary policy deal
with managing the exchange rates so that
they do not experience what is called unsustainable
depreciation. We also manage inflation to
ensure that we achieve what theoretically
economists call full employment. Here we
have put in place the foreign exchange auction
system because there is a wide diversity
between the demand for foreign exchange
and the supply of foreign exchange. We have
put an auction system in place. There are
three windows in this system; there is the
competitive window, the non-competitive
window and the small window that is called
an oil window. So what we do in the foreign
exchange auctioning is to provide the rational
market determining distribution of the available
foreign exchange, so that every Wednesday
we get bidders coming here mainly in the
commercial and business sector as well as
in the petroleum sector. Bid for foreign
exchange and the rate that we give is the
competitive rate. Because between the bank
rate and the parallel market rate we have
what we call the auction rate; this auction
rate is an average of all the rates that
bidders put forward, divided by the number
of rate with an average. So it is an incentive
because when people who are out there in
the parallel market pay huge sums of money
in dollars, the exchange rate there is sustainably
high, but when you come to the auction,
you can get a rate that will maximise the
urge of your limited Leone resources and
will also make you acquire dollars at a
prize that will enable you to acquire the
goods and services that you want to import,
and finally that will ensure that you do
not price those goods and services in the
market at the price that will harm the consumers.
Q. Sierra Leone is classified as a heavily
indebted poor country. But the IMF has reduced
the debt last year. Where are you going
to allocate the money you safe from that
debt reduction?
A. You see first of all, our stratification
as heavily indebted poor country or HIPC
country derives from the fact that both,
ourselves as a Government and the international
community give an assessment of our economic
fundamental poverty, the income that people
have, the per capita income, and all of
that with our basic infrastructure, our
health and education facility. We are able
on the basis of that assessment to form
judgement that we are really at a very low
level of development, so therefore, we met
the definition of being classified as a
heavily indebted poor country. Now the IMF
and the World Bank came forward and said
that if you are really in that sort of situation
we will provide a policy to assist you.
Firstly we will write off some of your debts,
but when we do write those debts off, you
must be able to allocate the resources to
areas, which they actually identified. They
also said that you must, as the IMF is saying,
be able to ensure prudent management. For
example you must ensure that your expenditure
does not keep on rising above your revenues.
So on those two terms, we agreed with them
and we identified the areas. So these resources
that we get from the programme for heavily
indebted poor countries, we will all agree
that it should be allocated to reduction
or poverty alleviation activities. If you
have met the Minister of Education, he must
have told you that we have used most of
that for rehabilitation and reconstruction
of schools. There is a programme for ensuring
that the basic administrative units - the
Chiefdoms should each have a composite,
a primary school, junior secondary school
and senior secondary school. As well, some
funds have gone into procurement of educational
materials, reading materials, teaching aids
and all of that. We have put a good chunk
of it into the health sector, procurement
of basic drugs for people, the rehabilitation
and reconstruction of peripheral health
centres and clinics and health posts as
well as the training of health personnels
and all of that. We have also put some of
that into infrastructural development, because
during the war, all of our roads and bridges
were destroyed so we have invested some
of that in the social sector. Some of that
money is also going into agriculture in
terms of regenerating agriculture, most
of the plans was abandoned because of the
rebel war. So we are now providing basic
inputs, planting materials, fertilizers
etc to farmers, so basically the resources
are going directly into those activities
that will immediately start turning the
lives of the people around.
Q. As well, you get some funds from
ADB and other Institutions. Could you tell
us roughly on which projects that money
has been dispatched?
A. Most of these organisational
funds are programmed before they come. They
are programmatic funds, meaning that like
the ADB they are interested in some sectors.
They are mainly interested in the Education
sector and the Agriculture. They actually
complement and sometimes overlap in the
agricultural sector - FAO and IFA. So funds
got from them, the negotiation is usually
done with the government and then they allocate
the them to specific projects.
Q. Also, you ad a private sector forum,
inviting investors to take advantage of
te new opportunities Sierra Leone is offering.
Could you tell us about the present investment
situation in the private sector and the
needs to improve it?
A. The private sector I would say
in spite of the rhetoric is still under
subscribed, it is still under resourced.
The private sector is everything from the
big commercial firms that we have around
the country down to individual retailers.
We all agree that they hold the key in turning
the economy around because it is sectoral.
Therefore, the private sector should drive
the economy in terms of investment. There
are just two components. The domestic as
well as the international. The domestic
one is narrow because it doesn't have the
capital to invest, and that is why we are
coming out with programmes such as micro-financing
so that we will be able to address the needs
of the small operators in the private sectors.
But what we really need now is direct foreign
investments, private sector investments
in this country. In the tourism sector for
example we need it in a very special way,
because the potential has to be developed.
What you can see now is just the top of
the iceberg. If you people go up country,
you need to go to Sulima, you need to go
to Bumnubu and see our waterfalls, you need
to go to more interesting places. What you
see along the beach is a joke. What you
see at Tokeh and Number Two river is still
a joke. You know when you go to a places
like Sulima, you'll see nature at its best.
We have got unlimited water resources. If
we get a private investor out there who
will just put investment in water resources
and come out with all of these activities
like you have in Holland and other places,
develop canals and so on. But the major
constraints is that we have had a bad press.
People still believe that we are at war,
they believe that these is still insecurity,
they really are not informed you know, but
the potential is unlimited so what we need
is the infusion of huge direct private capital
investment in this country.
Q. Do you already have an example of
a major private investment in this country,
and what sector could be very profitable?
A. We are getting very little. It
is coming in now because presently in the
banking or financial sector we are doing
what I call diversification. It's in many
ways both in terms of getting the existing
Institutions themselves to a wider geographical
as well as to enlarge their products. Some
of the new products that can be delivered
to the population out there. You see basically
at the moment, they can save their money
and they can have advances or loans. That
sort of products is very narrow. We want
them to go into new product lines where,
for example, they will be able to support
various sectors such as the agriculture,
the industry or the construction and provide
loans that are well supervised, that go
into direct investment in the development
of those sectors. I'm also trying to get
foreign banks, other entrants in the market
like next year, I'm getting a bank called
International Commercial Bank Sierra Leone
Ltd. They are coming from Malaysia. In January
they'll be starting. They have already provided
the initial capital for this, and I've given
them the licence. Unless getting this more
competitive, the financial sector is the
answer. In fact, under the privatization
policy we are also going to privatize two
of the Governments owned banks, Sierra Leone
Commercial Bank and Rokel Commercial Bank
and we have already got people who have
professed some interests as well as re-capitalize
and resuscitate the National Development
Bank.
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Q. According
to you, what could be one of the best sector
for foreign investors?
A. If I have to select two randomly
but really seriously, I see agriculture
and tourism. I'll go for those two because
our potential in those two areas are unlimited.
The Minister of Agriculture must have told
you, we are presently utilizing maybe a
quarter of the land resources that we have
in this country, and maybe less than a quarter
of the water resources. We can turn this
country into a green belt and produce all
sorts of products for exports, not only
for domestic consumption but for export.
We have got great potential for the cattle
industry as well. The economy of countries
like Botswana, Ethiopia and so on depends
on this too, in addition to diamonds. We
have the potential for that. Most of the
Northern belt far north is really cattle
economy. So Agriculture should be the key,
not only because it absorbs a greater part
of the population, but also because of food
security, food self-sufficiency as well
as generates crops for export and foreign
exchange. Tourism is very attractive. In
Gambia next door, it is driving the economy.
We have better potential than the Gambia.
We have better potential than Malaysia and
these other places where Tourists go in
terms of the beauty of our beaches, our
forests, our weather and so on.
Q. Does the Central Bank has a good
relationship with the UK and how do you
think the new travel advice will affect
the relations between both countries?
A. I would like to look at that
question at two levels. First, the relationship
of the Central Bank with our colleagues
in the UK. Traditionally we have had excellent
relationship with the Bank of England. Infact
a couple of months ago, I was in London
for the Bank of England's symposium and
I witnessed the historic event of the retirement
of Sir Edward George, the Bank Governor.
He had worked for the Bank of England for
30 years and I think 12 of those years he
was Governor - an excellent intellectual.
We have had a lot of interactions with them.
They have provided technical assistance
to us over the years. They have provided
training for this bank; we have also sent
our staff over to London for training that
is provided by the Bank. In fact before
I left London, I had a meeting with the
successor to Sir Edward George, Marvin Cain
and he has promised to provide some training
for my staff and two of them are already
on their way to the UK for training in the
areas of banking supervision, payment systems
and all of them. So at the financial level,
we have a good relationship.
Q. Is the UK still the main contributor
for this country?
A. Britain makes a significant contribution,
but they are not the only one. We have relationship
even with the African Central Bank and at
the largest level, through the IMF and the
World Bank, with other Central Banks across
the world. But Britain has been providing
significant assistance. At the National
Governmental level, of course the story
is familiar. Britain helped us during the
war. You know we have always been a British
colony, a former British colony. The present
Prime Minister of Britain has been very
sympathetic to Sierra Leone and at least,
Sierra Leone and Britain are great friends.
There are many of us, many Sierra Leonean
who studied in Britain.
Q. How do you see the economy of Sierra
Leone in the next three years?
A. In the next three years I think
the prospects are very good. We are at the
moment just coming out of a very destructive
war and we have managed remarkably, I will
say to be where we are now. If you went
to Burundi that had gone out of war for
five to ten years, they are worse than us.
If you go to Somalia, you see Sierra Leoneans
are very remarkable people. We have managed
to be where we are now and I believe that
three years down the way we would have got
ourselves out of the economic difficulties
we are having now, for e.g. in the critical
sectors we would have made significant strides.
In education for example we would have provided
educational services on an equitable bases
across the country. Health delivery service
would also in 3 years be available to almost
every Sierra Leoneans at affordable prices.
Clean water supply, road network and all
of that would be also available to Sierra
Leoneans. On the monetary front I believe
that over the next three years, we would
have diversified the financial sector considerably,
we would have made it competitive with other
systems elsewhere. We would have enriched
it, we would have add more Banks and non-financial
institutions, we would have had a capital
market in Sierra Leone. We would have created
opportunities for our people out there,
to have financial services brought to their
doorstep. The Central Bank is also presently
experimenting what we call community banks.
They are four of them that they have established
now. I intend to have two more. By the next
three years, maybe we will have over a dozen
of the community banks that are managed,
driven and owned by the people themselves.
That will be part of the empowerment process.
We'll have the people running their own
financial Institutions and the experiment
that we are making now with community banks
if they succeed will be the nucleus, the
seed for those sort of things so the prospects
are extremely bright.
Q. Could you briefly summarize your
background, your achievements and what you
did before coming here?
A. It's a very long story. I don't
know whether they are achievements just
where I have been. I actually studied economics
here at the University Fourah College. I
then went to UK. There is a great University
there called New Castle-Upon-Tyne. I did
a Masters degree there in Agriculture Economics
and then I came back and lectured in the
University of Sierra Leone for about four
years. First at Njala University where I
was head of the Department of Agricultural
Economics and Extension, and then in Fourah
Bay College where I lectured money and banking
in the Economics Department for a year,
and then I went into the Commonwealth Secretariat
in London, I worked for three years as an
Economists, then to the ILO in Geneva and
in Ethiopia for five years, in Addis Ababa.
I was there in the 80's. Then I came back
and worked for an NGO for five years, a
Canadian NGO and then while I was working
for the NGO, I was responsible for the programme
called the Functional Adult Literacy Program
which was a comprehensive community programme
that taught people, brought literacy to
people, the literacy that is concern with
their lives. I went to the UN, I worked
for the UN for ten years; UNDP here in Freetown,
UNDP in Papua New Guinea and the UN system
in Kosovo. I was in Kosovo for one year,
after the allied forces had destroyed that
place. I went there in the year 2000. I
was there and then registered by 1991 with
Washington University and I did my research
and completed in the year 2000. I went to
the US and presented my theses then I went
to Kosovo, I spent a year there. It was
in Kosovo that President Kabbah summoned
me to come back and made me deputy Minister
of Development and Economic Planning and
I did that for about one and half years
and then after the elections he made me
Deputy Minister of Finance and I was there
for one year and then on the 27th April
this year he made me Bank Governor. My background
is so rich that I have almost everything
in me.
Q. Do you have a message for our readers?
What would you like to tell them about the
country?
A. You are the messengers. Just
tell them that it's a wonderful country,
the people are extremely friendly. You can
hardly find people who are accommodating
and friendly as Sierra Leoneans. They like
strangers, they love people who come and
that is really good for us because if you
go to a strange place and you are embraced,
it gives you confidence to come back but
above all the message is, this is a land
of unlimited potential in almost every sector.
We have unlimited human and natural resources
especially the natural resources. We have
agriculture, diamonds, gold rutile, bauxite,
iron ore, we have every mineral that you
may think of in this country. We have very
rich marine resources. Some of the richest
in the world, although we are not managing
it properly. I must add that. We have good
climate as well as environment that is attractive.
We have six months of rain and infact sometimes
eight months of rain. It is still raining
in this country, whereas our neighbours
in Senegal and the Gambia are having drought
and desertification. So God is very kind
to us. We have greens in spite of deforestation.
If you look around even Freetown, you we
can see greens and you don't see that in
many places. So its very attractive and
the message is "come, your investment
will be secured, the policies and regulations
and laws are also investor friendly, we'll
allow you to repatriate a significant proportion
of your profit, to your country, even up
to 60%. There are no embargoes on entry
and exit into this country, as long as you
have your passports and you come in legitimately,
and you bring in money that is not money
laundered and you do not bring in dangerous
drugs and dangerous arms and ammunitions.
This is a very friendly country. Thank you
very much.
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