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Can you explain us briefly what are the main lines
of the foreign policy of the Kingdom of Cambodia?
Cambodia has known a long period of war and turmoil.
From 1970 to 1998 we've known civil war. Particularly
during the Khmer Rouge regime, everything was destroyed
in Cambodia. Therefore, after the election in 1998,
the government has set up a triangular strategy.
This triangular strategy lies, of course, in three main
points;
- The first side is to consolidate peace and stability
in Cambodia. Which is done since 1998, when we achieved
complete peace; the Khmer Rouge have been destroyed,
almost all of them having defected to the Royal Government
of Cambodia.
- Secondly, is to integrate Cambodia into the international
community. What we have done: we joined ASEAN and we
are currently cooperating with all the main international
organizations such as the World Bank, IMF, ADB, the
UNDP, etc., that is the second side of the triangle.
- The third side is to develop the country economically
and socially. And these are the three sides of our triangular
strategy.
The main mission of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
is to reintegrate Cambodia in the international community
and to enhance the cooperation with international institutions.
Since we are fully integrated with the international
community, what is the foreign policy of Cambodia? You
have to take into consideration that this latter cannot
be separated from the main strategy of the Royal Government
of Cambodia, which is the economic development of the
country.
Therefore, within the ASEAN, Cambodia is very active;
in fact we have to narrow the gap between the six old
ASEAN countries and the new members: Cambodia, Vietnam,
Laos and Myanmar. We have to deal bi-laterally with
all our friendly countries in order to get more assistance
(ODA), needed for the economic development of Cambodia
and also increase foreign investment. As I used to say,
to develop the country we need not only ODA but also
foreign investment. It is through FDI that we will be
able to create jobs for our people, get more transfer
of technology and therefore develop the economy.
Of course, our foreign policy is also to enhance the
very good relations we have with donor countries such
as Japan, which is one of the most important donor countries
to Cambodia with China. Concerning China we always had
a very strong relationship tied to the personal relations
between His Majesty the King Norodom Sihanouk and all
leaders of China. We also have very good relations with
the European Union, in particular with France, which
knows Cambodia very well due to their protectorate period;
I would like to underline, concerning France, that we
are not talking about colonialism but protectorate,
which lasted for more than 100 years. We try our best
to keep good relations with all the international community,
with the U.S. in particular and Australia who has helped
us a lot before.
Therefore, to summarize, I would say that our foreign
policy is mainly focused on getting involved for the
economic development of Cambodia by keeping good relations,
and strong co-operation with all friendly countries
and international organizations.
You just talked about the ASEAN, Cambodia also joined
the Great Mekong Sub-region and will soon become a member
of the WTO. What are the benefits your country expects
to achieve through all this macro-economic integration?
By joining ASEAN we not only beneficiate from bi-lateral
assistance but we also get help, as a new members, to
narrow the gap between the existing members and the
new ones and obtain a good level of development for
all the ASEAN countries. We also benefit with assistance
from all the countries in what we call the "ASEAN
Dialogue Partners". There are ten countries that
also assist the new members, through the Joint Co-operation
Committee with Australia, India, and so on; with all
the ten dialogue partners.
We hope that this year, perhaps in September, we will
be able to accede to the WTO. As you may know, Cambodia
has benefited GSP (General System of Preferences) most
favorable nation, from many countries such as USA, Canada,
EU, Australia, and so on. With our accession to the
WTO, Cambodia will accede to an important market, therefore
I consider it is an important step if we accede to the
WTO this year.
As you said, Cambodia is a country with a long relation
with the international economical institutions like
the World Bank, IMF and ADB. What are the current relations
with those institutions?
From 1993, when we first started to have co-operation
with the World Bank, ADB and IMF, we have kept very
good co-operation with all of them and nowadays we are
still enjoying their very useful assistance.
For instance, the World Bank committed as December 2002
for $481 million to Cambodia. Nevertheless we can underline
the fact that their disbursement was only up to 63%.
As far as the ADB is concerned their disbursal is about
55% of what they committed in the amount of $569 million
to our country. We are very pleased with the commitment
taken by these organizations to help Cambodia but we
wish that they disbursed according to what they committed.
By being present they can see with their own eyes what
Cambodia has done and is trying to do in the field of
economic development and their presence here is very
useful for the development of Cambodia.
The government of Japan has been historically
one of the main supporters for the development of Cambodia,
with plenty of donations and technical assistance. Can
you explain us the nature of those relations and what
are the current relations between both countries?
We have very good relations with Japan. The relations
between both countries have been always particular.
Despite of the changes of government in Japan, their
position towards Cambodia has never changed; assistance
to our country has always been a constant within the
Japanese policy and this is a very important fact for
the Cambodian government.
According to us there are over 800 NGO's in Cambodia.
What are the actual criteria's to allow these organizations
to settle in your country and what are your relations
with them?
No one knows exactly how many NGO's there is in Cambodia;
I was told that there were more than one thousand. In
what concerns the foreign NGO's, at the Ministry we
have registered around 200, but there are a lot of them
that are not yet registered. We maintain very good co-operation
with the NGO's since we overthrew the Khmer Rouge Regime
in 1979. At this time, Cambodia was isolated from the
international community; there was no assistance, no
aid and no investment. We had known an embargo and at
that time the NGO's came here and helped the Cambodian
people.
After the collapse of the Khmer Rouge Regime we were
facing hunger as, before leaving the city, they burned
all the rice and food stocks. The international NGO's
came here without any governmental assistance. Many
of them are still here helping the Cambodian people.
These facts can explain that we always had very good
co-operation with the NGO's, even for political and
human rights NGO's. We seriously take into consideration
their opinions when we prepare draft of laws, as many
of their recommendations are included in those drafts.
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Lately H.E. Prime Minister Hun
Sen reopened the border with Thailand after turmoil
relationship during the last months. What are the steps
undertaken by your Ministry to rebuild and normalize
relations with Thailand after the recent events of January?
I have to say that relations between Cambodia and Thailand
have never been broken. Although we have had demonstrations
that turned to violence, the two governments have always
kept contacts. Myself, after the demonstrations, I visited
Bangkok where I was received by His Majesty the King
of Thailand, the Prime Minister and my counterpart the
Thai Foreign Minister. In order to establish healthy
relations, after the January events, we agreed the following:
· First, the RGC have accepted to compensate
the Thai government for all the damages caused to their
interests in Cambodia.
· Secondly we committed ourselves to arrest the
leaders and all the people who incited violence against
Thai interests.
And we keep our word; we have already compensated Thailand
with more than $US5 million for the restoration of the
Thai embassy. In any case, I would prefer not to use
the words 'rebuild diplomatic relations' because relations
have never been broken, although they have stepped down
at the level of chargée d'affaires. We have now
decided to re-open the border and we will also send
diplomatic missions in each capital; within days we
should concretize it; send back our ambassador to Bangkok
and receive the Thai ambassador to Phnom Penh.
The actual event that attracts the attention on
a global scale is the crisis in Iraq. What are, according
to you, the repercussions of this conflict for Asia
and Cambodia and what is the official position of the
Royal Government of Cambodia regarding this conflict?
First I must say that we sincerely regret that a peaceful
solution could not be found to disarm from weapons of
mass destruction, if there is any, the Iraqi regime.
Any war will cause certainly losses of innocent civilian
people; therefore we deeply regret this war.
Talking about its repercussions, the impact depends
on how long the war will last. This is the main question,
how long the war will last? But according to what I
saw on TV, we can maybe expect the war to be very brief.
The repercussions will be noticed worldwide not only
in Asia. If this war lasts a long time, we might have
an oil crisis that will increase the prices everywhere
for any type of good. So the standard of living of the
people, in particular the people in developing countries,
will suffer from the negative effect of this war.
One important issue in the Cambodian agenda is the
Khmer Rouge Tribunal. Last week a draft agreement was
signed in the presence of UN head negotiator Mr. Hans
Corell. What does this Tribunal mean for Cambodia and
when do you expect the Tribunal to actually take place?
We are very happy with this agreement. We are happy
that the UN accepted to help Cambodia to try the Khmer
Rouge leaders. This also shows that the Royal Government
of Cambodia always keeps its word. In the past, many
people said that Cambodian leaders did not want to try
the Khmer Rouge; they were wrong, we want to try the
Khmer Rouge for Cambodian history. We want to try the
Khmer Rouge to grant justice for the Cambodian people
who survived that regime and those who died; millions
of Cambodians. Do I have to underline that 3 million
people died under the Khmer Rouge regime? In each family
there are at least 5, 6, 10 or 20 people killed. In
my own family, I have 5 brothers and sisters and my
wife also has 5 brothers and sisters. We have never
counted exactly how many victims of the Khmer Rouge
we had in my family but roughly it might be about 30.
Every Cambodian family has the same experience. It is
a tremendous tragedy for Cambodia and that is why we
have to judge these Khmers Rouge.
Therefore we are very happy that we signed this agreement
with the UN. Now that the agreement is signed, we have
to see how to try them as soon as possible. If we cannot
try the Khmer Rouge in a short time these people will
die, as some of them are sick others are more than 70
by now.
Could you tell us about your career path and your
highest satisfaction while in office?
I have had a diplomatic career. In 1970, when King Norodom
Sihanouk was Head of State by the Lon Nol regime, I
was a diplomat in Paris. And when the coup d'etat took
place, I decided to join the United Front of King Sihanouk.
From then on, I was involved in politics. From a diplomatic
career I became a politician.
I am very happy with my current position because I am
able to help our people and I can help Cambodia to move
ahead. Nowadays I think that the image of Cambodia in
the world is good. We organized very successfully several
summits in Phnom Penh, last November. The first ever
GMS summit was organized in Phnom Penh, then the ASEAN
summit plus three (China, Japan and Korea) and for the
first time we also had the ASEAN summit with India.
Last but not least we invited the President of South
Africa to come here to brief our leaders about the new
partnership of Africa.
What was really important on that occasion, was not
only that we organized successfully many summits at
the same time but mainly the substance we got out of
it; the documents that were signed by our leaders. In
November, the ASEAN plus three leaders talked more about
East Asia as a whole and we have paved the way for the
future East Asia co-operation; the East Asia forum,
East Asia summit, East Asia community as a whole. But
we need time for this to be achieved, we have to achieve
first a successful integration among the ASEAN countries.
Next June we will enhance this initiative and host three
very important meetings in Phnom Penh; the meeting of
the ASEAN Foreign Ministers, on the 16th, the meeting
of the Asian Regional Forum (ARF), on the 18th and on
the 19th we have a meeting with our dialogue partners
that we call the PMC, "Post Ministerial Conference".
Your Ministry is working to develop the economical
and social welfare of Cambodia. What would be your final
message to foreign investors interested into Cambodia?
I would say that Cambodia now enjoys fully peace and
stability. Furthermore, Cambodia has a huge potential
for tourism through our ancient temples.
You have to think ahead; Cambodia is not only a 12 million
Cambodians market, it is a 500 million people market
within the ASEAN. We should settle the ASEAN free trade
area in 2010. Furthermore Last November, during the
ASEAN plus three summits in Phnom Penh, we have paved
the way for a free trade area with China, Japan and
India within the next 10 years.
Therefore, investing in Cambodia can offer investors
a huge market; ASEAN plus China, Korea, Japan and India.
These countries represent more than half of the world's
population, more than 3 billion; you can produce here
in the free trade area and then export.
We also established what we call an Industrial Processing
Zone. Now we have a market chained to MFN (Most Favorite
Nation) and GSP (General System of Preferences), but
we have not enough goods to export to fulfill our quotas.
Therefore, we created this Industrial Processing Zone
to attract Thai and Vietnamese investments.
As a conclusion, I would like to see all our foreign
friends coming to Cambodia and assessing themselves
the potential of the country for their investments.
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