Could you tell us
briefly the historical development of the central
Bank of Cambodia since its creation and its main
responsibilities and objectives within the economic
development of Cambodia?
The National Bank of Cambodia is the Central
Bank of the country. In this position, it has
several aims. The first objective and responsibility
of the NBC is to conduct the monetary policy,
the ultimate goal of which is price stability.
As a second objective, the NBC conducts the foreign
exchange policy in order to ensure a smooth transaction
internationally. The third mission of the NBC
is the supervision of the banking and financial
institutions. The forth one is the exclusive role
of issuing the national currency, the Riel. The
fifth is to manage the international reserves
of the country and sixth, on behalf of the government,
we keep the contact with the international financial
institutions.
Historically, the Central Bank was established
in 1955 after the independence. During the Pol
Pot regime from 1975 to 1979, the whole banking
system was completely destroyed. Even the building
of the Central Bank was physically destroyed.
It was a society where there was no money, no
markets even no schools. It was some kind of primitive
communist society. It was in 1979 that we started
to rehabilitate the economy. In 1980 we started
to issue bank notes and national currency again.
We had to start from zero. We don't even consider
it a transition period, we started with a new
balance sheet and we had to form our human resources
to function correctly. We called that period the
mono-bank system.
In 1989, we started economic reforms, so we shifted
from a mono-bank system to a two-tier banking
system. This new system meant that there is division
between the Central Bank, which became the banking
authority, and the Commercial Banks as the operators.
In 1996, a new Central Bank Law was passed that
formally committed us to the two-tier banking
system. The law gave the Central Bank the independence
in its operations. In 1999, the Law on Banking
and Financial Institutions was passed. This law
is the legal foundation for the Central Bank to
perform its role as supervisory authority of the
banking sector and to license those banking operators
and to supervise them.
There have been major changes undertaken toward
the commercial banks after the approval this new
Banking Law. Could you tell us more about these
developments?
After the opening up of the country and the completion
of the private ownership, private banking flourished
in Cambodia. Before re-licensing there were more
than 30 commercial banks. In the economic context
we were involved this high number of commercial
banks was not suitable. This is why in 1999 we
passed a new Law on Banking and Financial Institutions.
The main component of that law was the requirement
of a minimum capital to the banks and the imposition
to provide the legal basis for supervision. Since
the adoption of this law until the end of 2002
more than fifteen banks were closed for none compliance
to that requirement. Presently, there are thus
only 17 banks operating in the country, from which
two banks are state-owned.
Besides this short-term action, we also have
a long-term plan for the development of the banking
sector in particular and the financial sector
in general. This long-term vision is published
under the name of Financial Sector Blueprint for
2001-2010. It includes the concept of the development
of the legal and financial infrastructure, and
also the plans for the development of a stock
market and the future of the sector.
One of the points in the agenda of the Royal
Government of Cambodia is, as you just mentioned,
the creation of the Cambodian Stock Exchange.
What can you tell us about the future formation
of this institution?
Concerning the creation of this establishment,
we have set a list of priorities. The first priority
is to strengthen the banking sector this will
be possible through the issuing of new and more
appropriate regulations to shape the banking sector.
Secondly, we have to introduce a sound accounting
system in the whole country. In terms of capacity
building, we focus on the filling up of capacity
of the bank supervision department, so they can
perform accurately both on-site and off-site examinations.
Those priorities can be seen as the first step
of our vision, which application began on 2001
and will last until 2004.
During the second step, planned from 2005 to
2007, we need to create the foundation for the
stock market in terms of accounting system, legal
environment and strengthen the audit system through
the introduction of audit standards and security
instruments. To initially establish the security
market, the Government's securities needs to be
issued first. This year we are even thinking about
cooperating with the Ministry of Economy and Finance
to issue a Treasury bill in the short term. The
second phase of 2005 to 2007 will create the foundation,
the environment and the instruments for the market.
Finally, from 2008 to 2010, the conditions and
foundations for the creation of a Stock Exchange
will finally be in place and we will be able to
establish it.
Financial institutions like the IMF, the ADB
and the World Bank have been in Cambodia helping
out for the economical reconstruction of the country.
As you mentioned before, the National Bank of
Cambodia is in charge of the contacts with those
institutions. What are the current relations with
them?
Generally speaking we have a very close collaboration
with those international financial institutions.
The IMF has even its resident representative in
the NBC building. With the IMF, we have mainly
a stabilization program called Poverty Reduction
and Growth Facility (PRGF), so it concerns the
macro-economic development of the country. Recently
we have just finished the implementation of the
first PRGF program the last disbursement has been
done already, being the amount involved in that
project around 84 million US Dollars.
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With the Asian Development Bank we work closely
on the formulation of a long term plan development
and recently we have received the assistance from
ADB for the implementation of the financial sector
development plan. ADB has also provided us the
technical assistance to strengthen the micro finance
supervision. We also have collaboration with AFD
(Agence Française de Développement)
in the field of strengthening micro-finance institutions.
Those operators are the main agents who provide
the small credit to farmers in the rural area.
What concerns the World Bank, we do not have direct
contact with them as they work closely with the
Ministry of Economy and Finance.
To implement all the reforms undertaken by
the RGC and the guidelines from the international
institutions, transparency is a must. Your government
is fully aware of that and willing to comply,
what are the measures undertaken from your side
to ensure this Transparency Policy?
Indeed, transparency is one of the most important
issues for the NBC. On that matter, the financial
report of the NBC is subject to audit by an international
firm. Those audited financial reports are also
sent to the IMF on a yearly basis. Furthermore,
the report, along with the management letters
and the opinions from the Price Waterhouse Coopers
auditors are available on the Internet. Also internally,
within the country we have a monthly bulletin
with monetary statistics.
The top decision making body at the NBC is the
Board of Directors. We have the Governor as chairman
and the following members: the Deputy Governor
and representatives from the Government, from
the Ministry of Economy and Finance, from the
University of Economics, from the private sector,
specifically from Chambers of Commerce and a representative
of the NBC staff itself. This Board is the policy
making body of the Central Bank, and ensures not
only the transparency, but also the budget, the
financial report, the balance sheet and so on.
Another aspect we would like to approach is
the high dollarization of the Cambodian economy,
which has allow till now the stability of the
Riel. What is your personal point of view on that
situation and which are the main concerns of the
Central Bank?
In the early 1990s when the UNTAC came to Cambodia
to help organize the general elections in 1993,
around two billion US Dollars flowed into the
country. As a consequence of that, the US dollar
started to circulate massively in the country
and people started to use it along with our own
national currency, the Riel.
Currently, our objective is to "de-dollarize"
the economy. But this process should be done step
by step, prudently and consciously in order to
avoid possible harmful effects. So far, the Central
Bank has tried to keep the exchange rate between
the Riel against the US dollar stable. This way
we create an environment where the general public
feels confident with the national currency. With
this financial stability added to the political
one, the people will start saving in Riels or
US Dollars. Our policy is very flexible; we are
not enforcing the "de-dollarization",
we want the market mechanism to function and progressively
build up the confidence of the general public.
This is why our concern is to ensure micro-program
stability to increase our international foreign
reserve. The plan to issue a Treasury Bill will
contribute to the process of the de-dollarization
as well. In order to create a market for the national
currency a lot things need to be done.
Can you tell us more about your career path?
I took part in the re-establishment of the Central
Bank in 1979 along with the former as Deputy Governor
of the NBC. In 1985 I was appointed as the Minister
in charge of the Ministry of Planning. At that
time it was a centrally planned economy, and I
fulfilled my function of Minister for 12 years.
I participated with the Government during the
reform program to pass from a centrally planned
economy to a market economy. It was only after
1998 that I moved from Ministry of Planning to
the NBC to become the Governor. Now, this is my
second term as Governor and this term will come
to an end in 2006.
What Final message would you address to those
investors looking at Cambodia as an investment
destination?
As I just mentioned, our mission is to strengthen
the banking sector and banking business. This
means we want to create a smooth, safe and efficient
payment system, facilitate financial transactions
and encourage savings to arise the confidence
of both, the general public and investors.
Could you tell us more about the main matters
that are essential for foreign investors such
as the interest rate and its development or the
credit system in Cambodia?
As you may aware of that at present the gap between
the borrowing rate and the lending rate is very
high. The banking system is constrained by the
lack of financial infrastructure, especially legal
infrastructure. In Cambodia, investment is practically
not fully sensitive to the interest rate as stated
in the theory or worked in most developed countries.
Given this environment, the main factor that
Cambodia is able to encourage investors, both
foreign and local, is to strengthen and develop
a competitive, safe, and sound banking system
so that to gain more public confidence and to
be a good service for all customers. At present,
it is necessary to develop the banking system
that is well regulated and supervised, and effectively
mobilizes savings to provide financing to support
the growth of the private sector. In addition,
there needs also to create a good payment system
that is a safe and reliable system for the transfer
of funds between customers/investors and banks,
and for the settlement of payment between banks
in order to facilitate all kind of transactions,
locally and internationally, to all economic agents.
Using these mechanisms, it means that we encourage
investors.
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