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Mr. Edward Grinbukh

Anya Sverdlov
Interview with
Mr. Edward Grinbukh
CEO, and
Miss Anya Sverdlov
Managing Director, Actis Systems.
Contact information:
Actis Systems
S'ezzhinskiy pereulok, 8/1
Moscow, Russia 105120
Tel: (+7-095) 234-0009
E-mail: info@actis.ru
Web: http://www.outsource.ru/

Moscow, October 29th 2002
Before we move onto Actis Systems, I would like to talk to you about the development of the IT sector in Russia, which has been growing very quickly. Could you give your assessment of the IT sector in Russia?

Miss Anya Sverdlov, Managing Director, Actis Systems: I would say that the Russian IT sector should be split into two parts: Russia-related IT matters and offshore development. Both have been prospering. The Russia-related sectors are at the beginning of their growth cycle and every day becoming more developed, as Russia becomes more integrated into the world economy and more computerized; the offshore market needs no elaboration: Russian analysts and programmers are in very high demand. At some point in the not too distant future, Russian software giants will give India a run for its money as far as software development is concerned.

There are a lot of different views on that. Some say it is possible due to the very high quality of Russian technical education, others aren't so sure. Do you think its possible for Russia to rival India?

Miss Sverdlov: It depends. I think that Russia will not always compete on the simple coding side, but Russia will give India, China and other offshore development centres a run for their money in the value-added parts of the market, such as systems analysis, complex system programming, web development and design. We already see many multinationals turning to Russian software companies for value-added services.

Actis Systems has been around since 1997. Could you explain the story of Actis Systems' development since then?

Miss Sverdlov: Actis Systems is about to celebrate its fifth year anniversary. Since then, we have become one of Russia's leading eBusiness solutions providers, having completed close to 400 commercial projects in twenty-three countries worldwide. We provide clients with the full spectrum of internet-related services: web design and interactive marketing, custom programming, consulting, and internet managed services, such as hosting.

Our client list, in Russia and abroad, includes Microsoft, Avon, Canon, BMW, Nestle, Siemens, ING Bank, Toyota, Schwarzkopf&Henkel, Vimpelcom, Sibneft, VneshEconomBank, Troika Dialog and many others. The multinationals were originally more convinced of the need for internet services, but now we are getting more and more Russian companies as clients.

Our work has won a number of prestigious international awards, including "Best Business Website in the World" by the Financial Times, we were the first Russian company to be short-listed for a Cannes CyberLions Award in 1999, ten of our sites were recently profiled among 250 best sites in Japan's "Web Design Annual 2003", and we taken tens of prizes at various Russian and CIS advertising festivals.

What makes Actis stand out from all the rest - what is your company's competitive advantage?

Miss Sverdlov: As far as our competitive advantage goes, I think there are several things that stand Actis apart from its competitors: one is that there is a western management team in place in Russia - it is not just a few western faces dealing with the clients, while the Russian operation is being run the old Russian way. That adds an additional level of security for clients. Secondly, we have four business units in the company, which can function on their own but which also work seamlessly together to provide truly integrated full spectrum solutions to our client's business needs. Thirdly, we merge world best practices learned through our offshore work with the talents of Russian programmers and designers. Also, our internet-only orientation allows us to keep our focus on our true core competencies: we are truly one of the best at what we do. Last but not least, I think our customer service orientation is important. We are proud of our 92% customer return rate and the fact that we have been working with many of our clients for 3-5 years.

Two of the cornerstones of Actis Systems are Actis Creative Solutions and Actis Web Development. How would you rank their importance and how do you see them developing?

Miss Sverdlov: In terms of importance to the company revenue wise, perhaps a quarter comes from Creative Solutions and three-quarters - from programming, including offshore programming for clients in the US and Western Europe. As to future development: as far as Actis Web Development is concerned, it is going to continue to be involved with custom programming solutions and will also engage in limited systems integration for web-related systems. As far as Actis Creative Solutions go, that business line will keep its concentration on web design, but will also continue moving into multimedia services and various media convergence work.

How does Actis Systems contribute to cost reduction and increased efficiency?

Mr. Edward Grinbukh, CEO, Actis Systems: We are currently finally seeing many big companies starting to do what they should be doing with the internet: using it as a serious business tool. We help companies identify where they can become more efficient through the use of internet technologies. We help our clients to look further down the line to increase revenues. We have a management consulting service which actually takes the first step in this process. The consultants come from different companies: McKinsey, A.T.Kearney, Accenture and so on. These people are more than qualified to analyse a company's business processes and see how they can move from offline to online and take their services to the next step.
IT companies in Moscow seem to have two directions they wish to develop in: abroad and into the Russian regions and CIS countries. What are your plans to further develop your client base?

Mr. Grinbukh: In effect, we have in the past had three offices: Kazakhstan, Ukraine, and Novosibirsk. After a year and a half of operations we had decided to sell these regional offices to the local partners due to very low revenues in those markets. Companies in those locales are not yet willing to pay the amounts required to establish themselves properly on the internet and the projects were involving more and more management time and investment for very little return.

The strategy over the next year or so is to launch in the spring of 2003 a new sub-brand to provide internet services to the small business community. It is a program that we will be setting up with a number of partners to offer to companies in Moscow, Russia and the CIS. We think that the market among the small- and medium-sized businesses in Russia has a real future and we would like to tap into it, but from Moscow and through partnerships. At the same time, we will keep developing our web design and web development arms - new technologies, new media, new initiatives; we've always been at the leading edge of new technologies and methods. For instance, we released our latest content management system, WebBuilder 2.0, based on Microsoft.NET technologies, together with the official release of Microsoft.NET in Russia.

Regarding offshore development, we are currently looking for a number of partners in various countries to lead our operations there. We are convinced that it is always a matter of the right partnerships and people first.

Do you plan to expand more abroad?

Miss Sverdlov: We have done projects in twenty-three countries, but I think the next step for us will either be to obtain partnership offices or full offices to assist mainly with CRM functions in our key markets. We have been actively considering Germany and the United Kingdom in Europe because of the size of their internet markets and the already existing relationships there and we have been trying to look at Japan for a while, though not as actively. And, naturally, the US, which has been a good market for us for the past five years, is likely to see the first office opening.

The IT market has become fragmented and Mergers and Acquisitions are on the cards according to some reports, along with the possible involvement of foreign companies. What is your view on those trends?

Miss Sverdlov: As far as our segment is concerned, many of the mergers and acquisitions have already taken place in 1999-2000. Then, during the "internet crash", about two thirds of all web development companies died and only those with a strong backbone and good management survived. While Actis was among the survivors, we also had to restructure: it was a matter of turning an enthusiastic idea five years ago into a real company, with processes, systems, and management in place.

A company's staff is its biggest asset but its management team is also important. Could you explain your backgrounds and personal achievements a little?

Mr. Grinbukh: I'm the CEO and was one of Actis' founders in 1997. I took a more active role in the company in 1998. Prior to that, I managed another of my companies, called ACT, a software and hardware re-seller for the corporate segment in Moscow, which was sold to Verysell in 2000. That company went form zero to seven million dollars in revenue in three years of its operation. Prior to that, I worked at Sun (later became SunInterbrew) and was instrumental in establishing Star Distribution to distribute its products (beer) throughout Russia and the CIS. I was raised and educated in the US, with a degree from the University of Wisconsin in Finance.

Miss Sverdlov: I came to Actis in May 2000 and became its Managing Director later that year. I was raised and educated in the US: I have a Bachelor's in Economics and Political Science from Yale University and an MBA from the Wharton Business School. I worked in brokerage on Wall Street for three years, but then decided to broaden my horizons and go into consulting. After business school, I worked for A.T.Kearney in New York and then moved to their Moscow office after a year. While there, I managed mostly financial services and consumer goods projects around Eastern Europe and in Russia. Prior to coming to Actis, I briefly headed Accenture's Strategy competency in Russia.

If we were to meet again in five to ten years time, where would you like to see the company?

Mr Grinbukh: The company would still be a leader in our field. At the same time, I would like to see us more involved internationally and moving into different vertical markets.

What would your final message to foreign corporates be, bearing in mind that Red Herring's main markets are the US, the UK and Germany?

Miss Sverdlov: As far as our sector is concerned, it is one of the most open sectors of the economy, the most de-monopolised. Most of the companies involved in the sector here are young, talented, and enthusiastic. Don't fear Russia just because it's Russia. Break the old stereotypes. You can find real value here.

Mr. Grinbukh: We bring value in real terms to all of our customers and partners, using latest proven technologies. We welcome the opportunity to work with you!
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