In recent results, Yukos posted a $ 3.47 Billion
net income, from gross revenues of $ 9.81 Billion.
That is 65% higher than Lukoil's net income of
$ 2.109 Billion. Meanwhile, you are making a net
profit of $ 8.18 per barrel compared with Lukoil's
$ 3.69 per barrel. So what is the secret of your
profitability in comparison with Lukoil's, and
how have you achieved this? Has it been through
technology, has it been through rationalising,
or a combination of many different aspects?
It is difficult for me to make a head to head
comparison with Lukoil because I do not have their
numbers and can not do a side by side comparison.
What I can tell you is why I think our profits
are relatively higher compared to other companies
in the industry.
First is the cost of production. We were able
to reduce our production costs and to keep them
low. We are not doing anything unusual; just using
standard, well-known technologies. But we do implement
them in a big way.
Second, we have kept our capital investments for
increasing production down, through the kind of
modelling that we use for our oil fields. Production
from each single new well is up, water cut is
down and average productivity per well is also
up.
But the key component for any Russian company
remains transportation costs and markets. Our
marketing arm is able to maintain exports at a
high level, and the fact that we have opted for
a strategy of negotiating long term contracts
has given us the opportunity to acquire some very
attractive segments of the market.
To what extent are you reducing your transportation
costs through mergers and acquisitions in Central
and Eastern Europe?
You can not easily reduce transportation costs
that way, because you would find yourself in violation
of antimonopoly legislation. What such acquisitions
do is allow us to expand the markets for our crude.
For example, Lithuania's ??eikiai Nafta
AB, of which we are acquiring 26,85 %, has signed
a contract with us to buy a substantial portion
of their crude from us over a significant period
of time; we are also getting access to their port
facilities. Likewise, the acquisition of 49% of
the Slovakian pipeline company Transpetrol a.s.
lets us increase the amount of crude we can ship
to Germany.
This is all fitting in nicely with the huge
chess game that is taking place between the United
States, the European Union and the Middle East.
How can you take advantage of this momentum and
establish a new strategy to forge alliances with
the West?
We understand that energy is a very sensitive
topic in today's economy. Right now, Russia accounts
for 21% of Europe's oil imports. We are well aware
that in order to gain additional market share
- say, to increase it to 50% of European consumption
- the European consumer has to develop trust in
us as a supplier.
What can we do to achieve this? First, we can
- and indeed we are - making the company transparent.
Second, we need to make the Russian legal framework
more stable and predictable - and there has been
quite a bit of progress made in this area already.
Third, we believe that two-way investments create
more mutual interest and trust: we can invest
in European downstream, while European companies
can invest in Russian upstream.
I often read in the media that the Russian oil
sector is in dire need of foreign investment.
I will agree that we need foreign investment,
but not for the money. And not for the know-how,
either. Know-how can be bought: you just pay the
money and you get whatever know-how you need.
No, we need foreign investment in order to build
mutual trust. Allow me to illustrate. One of our
large customers is a Hungarian company, MOL Rt.
They said that they would like to have their own
piece of upstream in Russia. I do not need their
investments. And as far as upstream know-how goes,
we probably have more than they do. But nonetheless,
I am glad to work together with them on one of
our fields, because this creates a mutual interest
between my customer and me.
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In your youth, in 1987, you founded a cooperative
called the Youth Scientific-Technical Creativity
Centre, which traded in computers, among other
things. Today, is the e-economy an area you might
be looking at more closely?
It is unlikely that I would go into a completely
new field at this point in my life. After all,
I am playing in the big leagues already. If you
are a minor leaguer and you are playing basketball
and suddenly you opt for football, you might be
able to pull that off. However, in the big leagues,
that's just not a realistic option.
As far as my involvement in information technology,
that falls under the category of philanthropic
work. We are providing the children living in
the regions where we operate an opportunity to
work with computers. And we are giving young people
a chance to gain new job skills in a new field.
But that is not our line of business; we hire
a special company to do this and we just provide
them with financing.
Because we live in a global village, how do
we bring together the people of Siberia with those
in Silicon Valley?
It is perfectly evident that the era of globalisation
will diffuse the nation state. It is clear that
although the nation state will continue to have
influence in the cultural arena and the social
arena, global business will force it to become
more global. We see this happening in Europe,
and we see it in recent actions by the American
government. This is the mainstream current. It
may not happen overnight, and there will no doubt
be some backsliding, but if we are looking at
a 50-year time horizon, then there is no question
that there will be a diffusion of the nation state.
Regarding the people of Siberia and the people
in Silicon Valley, video conferencing on a global
scale no longer raises any eyebrows today, nor
do phenomena such as global groups meeting on
the internet or employees working at home for
a large corporation without ever coming to the
office
Do you see yourself as a venture capitalist
in the near future?
When I retire from the company and will be looking
for something to keep me busy, obviously one thing
I might do is spend my time figuring out how to
invest my money. But I hope that this is still
quite a long way off! And right now, I certainly
do not have the time to worry about allocating
my money, so I have put it all into a trust fund
managed by one of my colleagues.
I have studied the phenomenon of Virgin and
Richard Branson, where there is a direct association
of Virgin with the personality of the CEO, which
in turn boosts the confidence and image of the
company. It seems that the same is happening with
Mikhail Khodorkovsky and Yukos - would you agree?
The heart of any oil company is, of course, its
oil fields. But it is true that there is a habit
in Russia to associate large companies with their
heads. One of my challenges is to put together
a team that is capable of running things without
me, and I think I have succeeded better at this
than some others have. I certainly would not like
to see our share price take a nosedive or skyrocket
the day I leave the company!
What final message would you address to our
readers?
I personally believe that Russia, and especially
Siberia, is like a young, new America. It is the
America of 100-150 years ago, with all the problems
that existed then, but with the same opportunities
too.
There is risk
and there is reward. In the
European part of Russia, there is less risk (especially
Moscow, where doing business is practically the
same as in Europe), but there are fewer opportunities
as well. But the further you get from Moscow,
the higher the risk and the greater the opportunities.
Those who would choose a safe life should invest
their money in Europe, while those who prefer
to live a little more dangerously can put their
money in America. But if you have a fire in your
heart, and want to do better than your parents
did, then you should definitely invest in Russia.
And not just money - you can invest your time
and your brains as well. And if you are lucky,
you will be richly rewarded.
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